Which one would I be best off buying? I don't do many miles as I work away so I drive mainly at weekends. So it got me thinking a diesel might probably cost more than a petrol. But the diesel cupra has sooooo much torque! But I have heard they can torque steer out of corners! Which could be a problem lol. A clio would be cheaper and I'm sure more fun to drive with the handling. I hardly do any motor driving so I probably wouldn't be using the diesel to its full potenial. Any advice would be very helpful!
Renault Clio 182 or Seat Ibiza Cupra TDI?
I had a remapped 130 tdi (to 183bhp)Ibiza, with s3 brakes, eibach suspension, 17" oz gt alloys and it used to humiliate 172 clios in a straight line, however in the bends it was nothing special and the wet it was the most horrible car in the world to drive.
A 182 clio will be much more fun/rewarding to drive.
On the flip side th ibiza imo looks alot nicer and the build quality is leagues ahead of the renault, it wil also be considerably better on juice than a clio,(i drove mine like a bell end everywhere and still averaged 44mpg!!! on a run 60+ was easily acievable.)
It really is down to what suits your life style, however asking this on a clio forum will undoubtedly lead to a biased response.
If you thrive on high revs and razor sharp handling then get a clio, however if you enjoy cruising around (economically) knowing you have 160bhp (200 if remapped) and an abundance of torque to humble much quicker cars then get the Ibiza.
If there was an Ibiza that handled as good as a Trophy when I was changing cars I would of bpought the SEAT.
Just drive both and then only you can decide.
Hope this helps
Steve
A 182 clio will be much more fun/rewarding to drive.
On the flip side th ibiza imo looks alot nicer and the build quality is leagues ahead of the renault, it wil also be considerably better on juice than a clio,(i drove mine like a bell end everywhere and still averaged 44mpg!!! on a run 60+ was easily acievable.)
It really is down to what suits your life style, however asking this on a clio forum will undoubtedly lead to a biased response.
If you thrive on high revs and razor sharp handling then get a clio, however if you enjoy cruising around (economically) knowing you have 160bhp (200 if remapped) and an abundance of torque to humble much quicker cars then get the Ibiza.
If there was an Ibiza that handled as good as a Trophy when I was changing cars I would of bpought the SEAT.
Just drive both and then only you can decide.
Hope this helps
Steve
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Thanks for the help steve! The torque in the ibiza is tempting but the torque steer isn't lol. I've heard that the larger turbo in the cupra does lag alot so driving around town stop/start would be terribly slow. About the clio people have said about the heavy clutch being annoying around town. But personally I don't think I'd mind a heavy clutch as I am a bit heavy footed. I'm sure the clio would be quicker around town and more punchy off the line.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjiFWG5c ... re=related god it sounds like a tractor! lmao!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW6fkwsQ ... re=related sounds better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW6fkwsQ ... re=related sounds better!
personally if it was a choice between the two the 182 would win everytime for me.... i've a leon and the T and there's no way i'd let go of the T before the leon.... no where near as much fun. ps that's the 2.0 TDI (although not the cupra)
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Evo seems to rate the cupra as the best small turbo diesel. Much higher than the skoda fabia vrs lol was thinking about one of them but the image and interior yuk! Only thing is evo reviewed the cupra tdi in spain on a nice hot day with smooth spanish hilly roads. Though I did read they recommended it to a driving instructor to replace his fabia vrs with!
The thing is though I don't think the running costs would be cheaper because the cupras are quite expensive for a decent low mileage one. Where as the clio 182 are quite resonalbly priced compared. And a car fast from a stand still would be sweet round town. I duno lol the trophy looks tempting but im unsure what with the costs with the dampers etc.
The thing is though I don't think the running costs would be cheaper because the cupras are quite expensive for a decent low mileage one. Where as the clio 182 are quite resonalbly priced compared. And a car fast from a stand still would be sweet round town. I duno lol the trophy looks tempting but im unsure what with the costs with the dampers etc.
I like funny threads....
I think you have slightly overestimated the torque (curve) of a diesel though.
I think you have slightly overestimated the torque (curve) of a diesel though.
I don't think he's over estimating it at all, at the end of the day a TDI with 310lb/ft of torque is quite substantial compared to a stock 182 with around about 140lb/ft.
The best way to make progress in a diesel is to not over rev it, change gears at 4k and you'll maximise the torque available aswell as keeping those pesky 182's in check.
However, as previously mentioned, the chassis isn't as good as a clios.
If your a straight line specialist doing a lot of commuting miles the it's a TDI all the way.
If you preffer going round corners on three wheels get a clio.
The best way to make progress in a diesel is to not over rev it, change gears at 4k and you'll maximise the torque available aswell as keeping those pesky 182's in check.
However, as previously mentioned, the chassis isn't as good as a clios.
If your a straight line specialist doing a lot of commuting miles the it's a TDI all the way.
If you preffer going round corners on three wheels get a clio.
i was in the same boat as you before i got my "T", no regrets, theres a few ibizas and fabias round mine mapped up and stuff running silly torque and horses alike, they are fast i do admit but not as fast as what most people make out to be! they feel ridiculously fast onbaord only because of the torque, my mate has one and when its boosting it feels like your doing twice the speed you are, his is running 186hp and 300 ft lb torque (pd 130), it keeps up with mine in a straight line very well, i can only may be pull 3-4 car lenghts on it over say 400m, but in the corners its no competition, mine absolutley rapes it, stock they handle like ice cream vans. Trophy every time mate! more powerful cars will beat you on the straights but the T will beat the majority of things in the corners, at the end of the day how many roads are all straight until the end? (- motorways). T is excllent on the b roads and roundabouts. However if i was to lose the T a cupra would be a major consideration of mine!
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I've you want a drivers car then I would suggest the 182. Reason for this is: yes the Ibiza is nice to drive, has more of a lazy approach as the torque pulls it out of any gear, but handling wise they aren't that good. They like to understeer, a lot.
I used to work for SEAT a few years back, and I loved to drive them, but compared to the 182 I would choose the 182 every time. I used to own a 172 Cup, then a Leon Cupra R 225 but then bought the Trophy as its so addictive to drive.
Ibiza compared to 182, they both have their pros and cons but I think the 182 has more pros then anything.
Comes down to what you want from a car.
I used to work for SEAT a few years back, and I loved to drive them, but compared to the 182 I would choose the 182 every time. I used to own a 172 Cup, then a Leon Cupra R 225 but then bought the Trophy as its so addictive to drive.
Ibiza compared to 182, they both have their pros and cons but I think the 182 has more pros then anything.
Comes down to what you want from a car.
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I do. Diesels have a peak torque figure and that is it, the torque curves are shocking. You can't compare 300lb/ft of torque on a petrol and 300 lb/ft on a diesel for example as the diesel only has its peak torque for about 200rpm rather than a flat torque curve.
I can't believe the 2 cars are being compared.
personal experience in this argument - my leon isn't anywhere near as fast as the T. My mates chipped bmw 400 lb/ft 3 series coupe is there or there abouts but again that's in a straight line.
it's only around 160-200bhp though, just imense torque....
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The 335D is a beast! Remapped it would be insane! It would be a right laugh on the motorway. But nothing special round the corners lol it does 60 is 6secs standard imagine remapped! Sorry this is the wrong place to bum bm's 
I was wanting to compare the T and the "spanish tractor" to find out which would be best at showing up other cars like vxr corsas etc.
I was wanting to compare the T and the "spanish tractor" to find out which would be best at showing up other cars like vxr corsas etc.
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If you want to race stuff (each to their own) then Corsa VXR drivers would laugh at you in their rear view mirror if you were driving the SEAT with a cloud of black diesel smoke being you.
As said, you can't really compare the 182 and Ibiza TDi. Two different cars, the Ibiza would however be good to tow a caravan
As said, you can't really compare the 182 and Ibiza TDi. Two different cars, the Ibiza would however be good to tow a caravan
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:shock: and shhhhh can't mention racing! esp on car forums u know wot there like with forum rules etc lol And theres nout wrong with caravans! [-X lol I doubt a vxr corsa would do a remapped cupra tdi (in spanish trophy! i know! lol no match though for the reno T's trophy crown) 400nm against 230? oh sorry i mean 260 with the brief over boost of torque.
Is the trophy a VXR Corsa eater? the reason i mentioned the vxr corsa is that a mate got one and i wanna show him up childish i know but anyways...........lol
lol And theres nout wrong with caravans! [-X lol I doubt a vxr corsa would do a remapped cupra tdi (in spanish trophy! i know! lol no match though for the reno T's trophy crown) 400nm against 230? oh sorry i mean 260 with the brief over boost of torque.Is the trophy a VXR Corsa eater? the reason i mentioned the vxr corsa is that a mate got one and i wanna show him up
childish i know but anyways...........lolIts all fairly meaningless...
If you have a high Torque diesel its easy to go quickish in straight line, just nail the throttle.
If you have a Honda or to a lesser extent Cliosport you have to work at it and use the gearbox.
The only true test (legal as well) of driver/car is on the track, sign up for a trackday or sprint and try it..
There is a well known saying in racing... When the flag drops the Bullsh*t stops ;-)
If you have a high Torque diesel its easy to go quickish in straight line, just nail the throttle.
If you have a Honda or to a lesser extent Cliosport you have to work at it and use the gearbox.
The only true test (legal as well) of driver/car is on the track, sign up for a trackday or sprint and try it..
There is a well known saying in racing... When the flag drops the Bullsh*t stops ;-)