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In your homeland Wesley - did you get the UK spec front end in OZ instead of the square light ones.
We never got any Jorden Yellow ones over here either.
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Thanks for the reply, no podcasting hereGo on then, it's Saturday evening and after a day of rest after a hectic few weeks I'm feeling frivolous enough to indulge a reply, with the caveat that I do have a sneaking suspicion that I'm merely providing material for the next Collecting Cars podcast...
I'm trying to get to the nub of your question which seems to be; what is or was the point of the 182 Cup.
Like all these things, it's all down to personal preference and pretty subjective, and also perhaps in period when the cars were new simple things like availability and affordability. Without sounding glib, the whole 182 FF vs 182 Cup debate has surely been done to death and a bit like asking the question 'why would you buy a GT3 RS over a GT3'... Surely you get all the performance in the real world with a GT3 with the added benefits, why on earth would any one consider the more basically equipped stripped out 'track focussed' number??
The answer to which transcends the facts and figures presented on paper. For me, the genuine 'Cup' and "Trophy' cars have always been the pinnacle of the Clio 1*2 range, but that's because in a hot hatch I'm not fussed about 'mod cons' and luxury, that's not what it's about, it's about a semi-raw machine which I can belt down by my favourite back road and feel the visceral thrills of throttle response, steering feel, chassis feedback, and all the other sad cliches; and if I'm sat in some cloth seats and a more basic heating system enjoying that particular thrill of driving which these cars can serve up, I don't really give a monkey's. If I'm after luxury and pampered cruising then I'd probably not be buying an old RS Clio, in 2005 or in 2023. Of the options new back in 2005, I bought a 182 Cup because it served up all the bits I wanted with regards to a focussed drivers car over a 182 with 'packs', which just seemed like a rip-off at the time especially with some of the deals offered to shift Cups when new, and don't get me started on the V6 - I was offered the liquid yellow Mk2 demonstrator in the South Manchester area for an absolute song new, because nobody was brave enough to buy the bloody things... £16k. Yes, I still kick myself.
And then we have the whole 172 Cup / 182 Cup question.. Well, the reason I chopped in my 172 Cup in 2005, was because after 2 years of some pretty hard driving, the car felt tired. Don't get me wrong, the thing was genuinely quick, raw, accomplished, but at 30k miles or so it felt like it had done enough runs up the drag strip at Elvington and manic tours following Irish rallying. The 182 Cup wasn't as mental, but was a much better daily and it speaks volumes that when I do a check on the cars, my old 182 Cup is still out there somewhere being MOT'd and driven, whereas the 172 Cup? It sadly vanished years ago (like my old 205 GTi's), and I'm not surprised, a great car but I'm sure someone put it in a ditch sooner rather than later.
To conclude, my 172 was the wilder car, but the 182 Cup was probably the better car. A standard 182 with the 'packs' still feels unappealing to me I'm afraid, just as it did when new, because it was the more expensive trying to tick every box car. Like I said earlier, it's all subjective and down to personal preference and experience.
I think one thing we can perhaps all agree on is, no matter which iteration, we're lucky to be enjoying some pretty good drivers cars.
, just a younger 182 owner who's probably a little bit too obsessive over the models. I daily my 182 which I think is where the biggest difference in our opinions lies, I assume you own another car for daily duties?
Well Andy, I think you know me well enough to know I'd certainly be taking the RS...Well, it's quite simple really, Ed... Let me start at the beginning...
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Indeed, Ed - as I would myself!Well Andy, I think you know me well enough to know I'd certainly be taking the RS...
Apologies this is off topic, but it's too much of a coincidence not to post somewhere. I just stumbled across this old thread on cs, while looking for the source of an old image (an RB in a river), it's a trophy driving through the infamous floods of 07. Out of interest I found what number trophy it was to see if it was still going, it was #165! Funnily enough listed for sale a day after the flood postIndeed, Ed - as I would myself!
Slightly off-topic, yet related to a few of the latest posts here, I have found that my desirability [for a given 1*2] was very much linked to how eager the car felt. I can't say that I've ever driven a badly handling RS Clio but I have certainly had experiences in 1*2s that have felt significantly, for want of a better word, flatter than the driving experience in others. I personally believe that this links back to the fact that the F4R heart of these machines varied so much, in terms of output/throughput, right from the moment they left the factory. When I first picked up #165 I absolutely fell in love with the dynamics, the small-car/big-engine feel, the playfulness of the chassis; but the engine wasn't particularly great. In comparison to my then-girlfriend's Type-R, it was a long way down in outright performance. It was a long way off the performance level of her own RS Clio that she had prior to the Type-R. Despite running health checks and diagnostics, it was given a clean bill of health - yet a dyno pull resulted in a rather paltry 157bhp figure. Very disappointing to say the least when other 1*2s were around 18-20bhp higher and around 10-15lbft higher torque, too. Quite simply, I had a weaker F4R and there was very little I could do, other than look to start down the modification route. But I don't need to explain what happened once that route had been chosen...
Fast forward 16 years and my 5th engine (!) is an absolute cracker (even if the rest of the car is often problematic). It is a whole different level despite the car being returned to stock form. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that this secondhand engine is probably as performant as the first ITB build I performed many years ago (albeit not quite so aurally pleasing).
. I'm sure it's irrelevant so many years later, but you can blame that for your bad Trophy luck!
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