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LOZHOON
07-01-07, 09:47 PM
hi gents how much would i get for a trophy (068) 05 plate with 27k on the clock?

oliie
07-01-07, 10:23 PM
It really depends on condition, history and type of road driven on.

My Trophy senses say £10.5k private.

O.

fazedesign
07-01-07, 10:57 PM
It really depends on condition, history and type of road driven on.

My Trophy senses say £10.5k private.

O.

I'd say that was probably a bit strong - if someone was to offer me that for mine now I think I'd probably take it (55 plate/ 20.5k miles)

Personally I'd reckon that given the milage, you'd be looking at dipping under the 10k mark :(

fazedesign
07-01-07, 11:03 PM
Sorry, that last post sounded really negative! Just had a quick look on the trader and it seems cars (albeit with lower milage) are being priced a bit higher than I expected - just goes to show how keen the prices are at allvehicles!

FunkyMunky
08-01-07, 09:32 AM
prices are all over the place at the moment...... i would say somewhere near to 10k I expect - I have spent a fair few weeks studying prices whilst waiting for my insurance payout!

g40steve
08-01-07, 09:42 AM
Start high, you can always lower your price.

Not a good time to be selling though.

Cue
08-01-07, 10:13 AM
i'd be thinking 10.5k....

oliie
08-01-07, 11:25 AM
I'd say advertise for £10.5k and take £10.1k minimum. Allvehicles may disagree with me though... but he is the expert so as soon as he gives his opinion you can discount mine!!! :P 8)

O.

LOZHOON
08-01-07, 07:00 PM
thanks guys :)

artdealer
08-01-07, 07:16 PM
Start high, you can always lower your price.

Not a good time to be selling though.

Agree with first point, but not the second, the auctions have gone MENTAL the last week with very high conversion rates and % of CAP. A Clio Trophy is always a desirable car - see the MSN road test last week as a recent example of giving it a good plug. there's never many for sale. I would be thinking maybe around £50 per 1000 miles as an adjustment, but the problem with my sales are the part exchanges cloud what the real achieved values are - I've been taking some heavy metal recently and that doesn't sell quickly to derive the nett Trophy sales value - I know what I would like to have made but will have to see. Anything over £10000 would be good going.

PaulTrophy002
13-01-07, 12:34 AM
Hi i just bought 002 / 500 from all vehicles around the end of December it had 1 former keeper and 9100 miles and has had its fitst 12000 miles service that wasent stamped in the book. I paid £10995 for this car and traded in a 2006 Focus ST for it.

Id therefore say that its gotta be allot less than £10995k price i paid.
I would estimate a price of around £10000 or under as that millage is very high for a 05 reg car.
The millage might put some people of buying it. As i wanted 1 with under 10,000 miles.

Plus as mine is number 2 out of 500 its the first car that went on the for sale market by Renault when they came out, this may mean it holds slightly more money than others and has been used in features about the Trophy such as Autocar mag.
Well i hope so anyway.!!!!!!

FunkyMunky
13-01-07, 02:19 PM
i don't think the number of the car is going to make any difference to the value of the car.... it's a limited run of 500 cars and nothing yet has indicated price differences based on the number

Tomx
13-01-07, 02:32 PM
I agree with the above as it is one of the first and therefore on an 05 plate, plus the cars owned by renault have seen quite a bit of track work.

PaulTrophy002
13-01-07, 07:38 PM
Yea well im not sain that it will hold more money than any others. This is what STEVE at allvehicles said when i bought it he said you could have it 2 years put 8000 miles on it and sell it with 17000 miles. I will not loose that much money on the car as he rekons it will always stay above the £10,000 price tag because its (NUMBER 002) the first 1 sold by Renault and with his 27 years car sales experience and car sales knowledge i dont think you can argue with him.

Plus mine has had no Track day fun being owned by Renault. I looked into this before i bought it.
And to be honest these cars are not exactly bought by your old reteired penshioner. They are bought by people who are into cars, and like driving them fast.
It would be extremley hard, if not impossible to find a Trophy that had not had a caining at some point in its life unless you bought it from new and drove it like a retired penshioner.

One if my best mates has an early RS500 Sierra Cosworth which is in immaculate condition with 27000 miles from new although this car is completly different to a Trophy in cost and age there is one similarity with them, there were only 500 of them made.
With allot or RS500's being written of or stolen in the past 20 years there are less of them around now. My mates car is worth more now than it was new which proves my point exactly.

fazedesign
13-01-07, 07:59 PM
Yea well im not sain that it will hold more money than any others. This is what STEVE at allvehicles said when i bought it he said you could have it 2 years put 8000 miles on it and sell it with 17000 miles. I will not loose that much money on the car as he rekons it will always stay above the £10,000 price tag because its (NUMBER 002) the first 1 sold by Renault and with his 27 years car sales experience and car sales knowledge i dont think you can argue with him.

My dealer reckoned the Trophy would still be worth 10k after 3 years, doesn't mean I believed him though!

Keep 002 tidy and think you'd never have trouble selling it, though I'm not sure it would command much more that the later numbers.

artdealer
13-01-07, 11:03 PM
I just lost a reply to this and I'm not typing again. You broadly quoted me, my analogy was the 20 yr old RS500 being the same now as then if excellent cond. Also a four year old 18000 mile Trophy would be a low mileage car and command a high price. You only have to picture one all polished up and ready to go at £9995 alongside say a 97R Integra for £7995. These are specialist cars, a unique market and more specialist I would argue than (say) a Williams.

FunkyMunky
14-01-07, 04:37 PM
broadly speaking and to contradict myself i'd pay more for number 500 than i would 002..... it's newer and the last one off the line

PaulTrophy002
14-01-07, 06:12 PM
Yea right 3 months difference in age from start to finish BIG DEAL. Mine was registered on June 21st 2005 and they ended around the end of Sep 2005 so 3 months is a real long time.
Plus if you would rather take number 500 with say 20-40k miles which has had a number of accidents and owners, or a low number Trophy thats on its second owner that is mint with 9500 miles.
Id have to agree that paying more money for a car with more miles, owners and in worse condition sounds like you really no what your going on about.!!!!!!! NOT.

Tomx
14-01-07, 08:29 PM
I think the point being made is the number is not really relevant :lol:

FunkyMunky
14-01-07, 08:59 PM
Paul - take a chill pill.....

Steve
14-01-07, 10:26 PM
Yea right 3 months difference in age from start to finish BIG DEAL. Mine was registered on June 21st 2005 and they ended around the end of Sep 2005 so 3 months is a real long time.
Plus if you would rather take number 500 with say 20-40k miles which has had a number of accidents and owners, or a low number Trophy thats on its second owner that is mint with 9500 miles.
Id have to agree that paying more money for a car with more miles, owners and in worse condition sounds like you really no what your going on about.!!!!!!! NOT.

I would pay more for 002/500 because I would call myself a Trophy fan now and I think it would be cool to own the first available number. I would also pay more for 500/500 for similar reasons. Probably £1000 more if the condition/mileage.ownership/service history was right. If I could have any number I wanted though, I would pick 298/500 because it's Permagarded, has a re-map, numbered mats and is nearest to my front door. :)

I don't think Gareth was saying he would pay more for a worse car that was newer Paul, and being one of the only people to have owned 2 Trophy's and tested one to destruction, he's got some Trophy noddle. Come on - it's not Cliosport, we're all friends here. :lol:

williams
16-01-07, 01:06 PM
Been reading this post surely a cars condition is most important in deciding whether to buy it or not and a number on the seat has little relevance, trophys will always command a higher price due to there limited run but will still depreciate like everything else. Comparing a trophy to a an rs500 is somewhat optimistic i doubt very much many of these cars will be around in twenty years mainly due to the mileages being put on them now and also the fact that an rs500 is a homologation special for the 80s touring car championship. When i get my trophy i intend to enjoy it for the car it is and not worry about resale value.

hoolio
16-01-07, 01:12 PM
Another voice of reason on the forum :) . Why don't you open another thread, tell us what you've got and what you're looking at.

FunkyMunky
16-01-07, 01:30 PM
Been reading this post surely a cars condition is most important in deciding whether to buy it or not and a number on the seat has little relevance, trophys will always command a higher price due to there limited run but will still depreciate like everything else. Comparing a trophy to a an rs500 is somewhat optimistic i doubt very much many of these cars will be around in twenty years mainly due to the mileages being put on them now and also the fact that an rs500 is a homologation special for the 80s touring car championship. When i get my trophy i intend to enjoy it for the car it is and not worry about resale value.

welcome to the site! nice first post too - hope you find some useful info on here before making your purchase - agree with your attitude on driving and enjoying the car :D

Cue
16-01-07, 01:48 PM
i think the point has been misread.

Yes a car's age, condition, milage etc will have more of an effect on value than the number of the car..... but, all things being equal or relativly so, in 10 years time no2 should hold a slight premium over number 274 from a buyer perspective.

obviously as I own 274 and it's going to have the best care and attention that I bestow on it I doubt that it will actually be the case - see the example of that Mk1 Fiesta that had a reserve of £26k+ on ebay before xmas.

If you were offered two Trophy's - both brand new, unregistered so age is irrelavent. Would you pick No.2 or No. 274 ? It'd be No. 2 for me.

Ideal would be:

# 00
# 1
# 500
# 2
# 182

After that it doesn't really matter does it? There all exactly the same when they leave the factory anyway, it's not like some one specified sat nav on theirs!

duffer987
16-01-07, 06:39 PM
I think its all rather daft. Sure 182 would be kinda neat, but who cares whether you got the last one, first one, it appeared in AutoExpress, etc... there's only 490 something right handers remaining. Like the kids on the small buses, they're all special :D
The ones in the middle are probably the best put together, after they worked out any early assembly line teething problems and before they got to the end and just wanted to get them off the line and go on holidays :wink:

oliie
16-01-07, 07:33 PM
In my humble opinion (please don't criticise it - it is just my viewpoint): I would much rather not have an early car is it is more likely that the car has been a press model (first ones available) and *may* have lead a hard life (e.g. lots of people in/out of the car which may lead to faster seat bolster wear etc.). For me, the first ten cars would be more of a put off than the remaining 490. But this is just me, and for others the reverse would be true. It is also a minor point. The only exclusion to this theory is if the car was not registered when you bought it and you knew for sure (and can prove it in th future to the next buyer) that it was never owned or driven by anyone but you. I don't think you could say that for car #1...

Other than that minor personal opinion, the number of the car to me makes no difference. I would choose overall condition, type of road driven on, number of tyres consumed and service history as overriding factors compared to the car number any day :). I may also value a number plate with the car if it means that financially I am in a better situation come liquidation time :) For example, T20PHY may sway the decision if the car is price equally to a car without a special number plate ;)

O.

oliie
16-01-07, 07:44 PM
Come on - it's not Cliosport, we're all friends here. :lol:

Lol... now who is the snob? :lol: :lol: J/K (incase people are wondering what I'm on about: URL Click me happy baby (http://cliotrophy.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2909&highlight=snob)) :lol: :lol: :lol:

We all need an Ace Cafe meet so we can meet in person and talk about this... we're all nice people and you can't always tell on the 'net :(

Time to start another Ace Cafe poll for a meet!!! Woohoo!

O.

artdealer
16-01-07, 08:02 PM
Cue, very diplomatic, but you forgot the fabulous #299 sitting outside haha. That's it for me and this thread - time to move on!

TrophyK3V
24-02-07, 12:32 PM
Cant see the number of car making any difference... Car is going to lose value regardless of number. :lol:

Steve
02-03-07, 11:46 AM
...and here's the other. Not sure why the links were dead but I assume you're happy now. Sorry to crush your conspiracy theory! :wink: