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big_peaches
17-07-06, 08:13 AM
Ok so scanning the news of the world for general celebs with there norks out and came across an article written by some cunt callled JAMES FAXALL you just read the article and you will discover that well jamie faxall really knows F*U*C*ksall

big_peaches
17-07-06, 08:15 AM
SIGNIFICNTLY BETTER!!!! he obviously doesnt know its heavier and slower.......the interior is crap....................what chrome?????

DOES NOT LOOK SPORTIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B*LD F*GG*T B*ST*RD!!!!!!!!

Day
17-07-06, 09:13 AM
I personaly think it has the potential to be a better more refined car than the 182.

Revisit this thread in 6 months time and you might think differently.

Sounds like sour grapes to me ;)

fazedesign
17-07-06, 09:16 AM
Ah the world famous NOTW motoring section - revered by motoring enthusiasts the world over...

Don't know how I'll be able to resist the 197 if its sportier, racier AND has slinky chrome trim!

Steve
17-07-06, 09:17 AM
I love these overpaid underskilled tabloid/comic journo's who review cars without even seeing one in the metal let alone test driving them.

I read a review of some hot hatches in a motoring supplement yesterday, as an alternative, it listed the 206 GTI 180, gave it 4/5 and said soon to be replaced by the 207 GTI so get one while stocks last. Sure - If you want to pay Trophy money for a complete bag of shite.

Slinky chrome trim? Says it all really...

Cue
17-07-06, 09:51 AM
sounds like he's jut read the marketing crap and written a review from that. Honestly I wouldn't have a 197 given. May as well go for a Focus ST if your paying the money for a 197. Similar size and the ST will out drag it.

hyb
17-07-06, 11:13 AM
What do you expect from news of the world? Im surprised there's even a bit of text

Nik
17-07-06, 01:22 PM
[quote="Day"]I personaly think it has the potential to be a better more refined car than the 182.[quote]

Ironically after all the moaning there's been about build quality over the years, thats precisely the reason why I wouldn't want one. I dont want refinement in a hot hatch, thats for family saloons or executive cars.

oliie
17-07-06, 01:52 PM
My 330ci did refinement to the nth degree and was the same price (second hand).

What irks me with the press article are the colloquial terms - what on earth is meant by a car that is 'sportier'? :roll:

There are also many cars more powerful than a 182 but it does not been that they are quicker... not by a long shot!

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Steve
17-07-06, 02:19 PM
There are also many cars more powerful than a 182 but it does not been that they are quicker... not by a long shot!
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(sound of nail being hit on it's head...)

Steve
17-07-06, 02:41 PM
Despite having nearly 200bhp, the Clio doesn't feel that fast. There are two main problems: a lack of pulling power (torque is 159lb-ft at 5,550rpm) and very short gearing. Although the bare performance figures are fairly promising - 0-60mph in under seven seconds and a top speed of 134mph - the Clio 197 simply doesn't feel very lively and lacks the urge of its forebears such as the 182 which would buzz their way round to the red line with no difficulty at all. Once up to motorway speeds things don’t get much better either – the short gearing means the 197 is revving very highly at around 70mph and the accompanying drone gets tiring after an hour behind the wheel. More impressive are the brakes and gearchange, which are direct and inspire confidence – exactly as a hot Clio should be.


From:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/choosing/carre ... 515&page=2 (http://www.parkers.co.uk/choosing/carreviews/review.aspx?model_id=1515&page=2)

big_peaches
17-07-06, 03:12 PM
I personaly think it has the potential to be a better more refined car than the 182.


Ironically after all the moaning there's been about build quality over the years, thats precisely the reason why I wouldn't want one. I dont want refinement in a hot hatch, thats for family saloons or executive cars.



another nail being jack hammered home!!!

cheers for the support lads!!

big_peaches
17-07-06, 03:13 PM
NIK.........Give me another star im begging!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Day
17-07-06, 03:17 PM
Um, not being funny but you cant have another star unless you upgrade ;)

big_peaches
17-07-06, 03:23 PM
To a what?? a slimer younger bigger breasted gf?? dont think its possible
:lol:

polarbert
17-07-06, 03:39 PM
I personaly think it has the potential to be a better more refined car than the 182.

Revisit this thread in 6 months time and you might think differently.

Sounds like sour grapes to me ;)

I've heard a lot of people mention this refined word. And also civilised.

They are 2 things that you do not want a hot hatch to be.

Just think what it would be like if the new TVR was more refined and civilised.

Steve
17-07-06, 03:42 PM
Um, not being funny but you cant have another star unless you upgrade ;)

Day, does that mean you would have five stars if you had a Trophy? :wink:

big_peaches
17-07-06, 03:44 PM
Smooth stev.......v smooth!!! i like the cut of your jib :wink:

Nik
17-07-06, 06:48 PM
Um, not being funny but you cant have another star unless you upgrade ;)

Day, does that mean you would have five stars if you had a Trophy? :wink:

Good question! In fact yes, if Day buys a Trophy he will indeed have 5 stars! :D

big_peaches
17-07-06, 06:52 PM
hyb has 3 stars and hees a mini boy!!! no offence hyb.....have you seen the renford mini.............bloody hell!!!

Portland
17-07-06, 07:09 PM
Shocked there were no norks with the review.

Well, you know my views. Don't know where the chrome remarks come from...

big_peaches
17-07-06, 07:35 PM
probly lookin at his chromed rampent rabbit the h*mo

Day
17-07-06, 09:19 PM
hyb has 3 stars and hees a mini boy!!! no offence hyb.....have you seen the renford mini.............bloody hell!!!
Hyb's my special boy.

Perhaps one day you might be too.

big_peaches
17-07-06, 09:29 PM
I will kill for stars!!

17-07-06, 10:06 PM
Mini boys are nice :D :D :D

hyb
18-07-06, 08:32 AM
:D

SteveC
18-07-06, 01:01 PM
Out of all the mags, the only one that gave a fair write up was EVO, they made a point of saying that it wasnt as sure footed as the 182, but it was still a very good car.

I personally cant stand the 197 i just feel that Renault have forgotton exactly what makes a hatch back HOT.

Its heavier, bigger and i dont belive that the extra Bhp has made a difference in performance. Why oh why didnt they chuck in a turbo lump, and make it 215bhp, now that would of been better.

ducks butt
18-07-06, 04:43 PM
To a what?? a slimer younger bigger breasted gf?? dont think its possible
:lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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can't you give him a half a star.

big_peaches
18-07-06, 05:01 PM
YEAHY HALF A STAR FOR ME CAMPAINGE
:P :P :P :P :P

danny_1968
19-07-06, 09:13 AM
hey guys

i drove a 197 after chatting up a salesgal at the festival of speed renault tent (arranged a drive at my local renault dealer in sunny basingstoke) - and can honestly say the 197 is nice and everything - but its never going to be the 172/182 cup/trophy experience (ever) and renault know this..........

first cup i brought was 12500 new and always felt special - this new 197 feels like a completely differant kind of car was planned when they made it............the one i drove had been trashed around a little i was told - but felt tight as a tiger and really did feel shortlegged and hefty.......not a car for me, but i just know there will be people buying them for the modern keyless ignition........the sporty marketing linking it to the F1 car.........the nippy performance........etc

even though in a years time people would have found ways of stripping them and waking them up - the day of the light go-cart clio seems to have passed..........i use my clio for road and track and therefore i'm bound to moan about weight increases and bits i don't want bolted to a car i don't want of need...........for me the new car is designed for the modern world of comfort over raw performance and i guess thats what their survey results tell them.........

hey i don't think that sounded too much of a moan did it? - in summary the car drove well and if i had not of driven and owned older quicker renaults - maybe i may be saying what the bald guy from the news of the world said?

danny

big_peaches
19-07-06, 04:47 PM
danny have a star *

think i saw an article in evo saying the cars has been made more drivable....less of a handfull....

Cue
20-07-06, 09:43 AM
thing that everyone seems to have forgotten is the 197 is based on the new clio and the majority of Clio buyers want more saftey, more gadets and all the luxeries of big cars like airbags etc. Unless they just made a specialist car for the sports market (when they last did this no-one bought it) the 197 was always going to be too big, heavy and slow to be an evolution of the 182.

Still don't understand why they only gave it 197bhp though. Should have done what BMW did and stick a small supercharger in it to boost low rev performance.

mindgam3
21-07-06, 12:21 AM
4 1/2 stars in this weeks autocar too - good write up

Shabba
13-12-06, 09:03 PM
Saw 2 in black last week. Nondiscript is all I can say. V Boring.

FunkyMunky
13-12-06, 09:51 PM
racing blue looks good, i know someone with one and must admit it has grown on me a little bit, until i look at the back of it

Cue
14-12-06, 10:23 AM
i've only seen one on the road, i took one around cadwell for a few laps and it impressed me but not as much as the Trophy did :)